04 April 2009 @ 06:01 pm
Shameless  
Okay...I'm a-SHAME-d *rimshot* to admit it...but sometimes I can't always understand British accents...but I LOVE THEM! I mean...LOOOOVE them! I could listen to a British person speak all day long. And a cockney accent makes me weak on the knees (I wonder if a ghetto American accent does the same for them? Ha Ha...doubt it.)...Anyway...whenever I watch shows online from the UK, sometimes I have to pause and and go check out http://www.peevish.co.uk/slang/index.htm because I may not understand some of their terminology. Than once I learn it...I walk around trying to throw it in my everyday conversation like a total dork. Ha Ha! I'm obsessed with all things UK. ;-)

One of my new favorite shows is SHAMELESS! Absolutely BRILLIANT! I'm only on Season (series) 2, and am going to do a marathon this weekend to see how many I can watch!!! But one thing that always gets me, is in the beginning when "Frank" is describing each of the kids, I can never seem to quite understand what he's talking about when he talks about Phillip. It's not that I can't underatand him, it's just that I don't understand the terminology. He says something like

'Lip...Who's a bit of a gob shy which is why noone calls him PHILlip anymore.

What does that mean??? Gob shy?

Any help for this US fan would be FANTASTIC!

P.S. I loooove the part where he says "...they know how to throw a paaaaahey". Pahey = Party...I love that pronunciation! Ha Ha! I need to move to the UK! Fa real!

 
 
 
shy_nerthuserce: Being Human - Gilbert Funshy_nerthuserce on April 4th, 2009 10:16 pm (UTC)

Ah, I can help you there! :¬) "Gob shy" is actually "gobshite", which is a fairly derogatory term, as you've seen. :¬D I could be wrong, but I think it's a word that's more usually used up north - think it's also used in Ireland?

Hope that clears it up. :¬)
Antonio: eyeupsmirkantonioooo on April 4th, 2009 10:24 pm (UTC)
Hmmm...okay...so he's saying he's what? Like a smart ass? Why than would they not call him Phillip anymore because of that? I know...I probably sound like a twat for asking, but I'm still a little confused. ;-)
shy_nerthuserce: Gene Hunt 0shy_nerthuserce on April 4th, 2009 10:46 pm (UTC)
I've never really thought about what it means before - it's just been a word you can use and really put a lot of venom behind... ;¬) A gobshite is basically a person you think of with real contempt - someone you really, really dislike because of the way they think, behave, don't pay for their round of drinks, etc etc; a stupid or worthless person. Might also mean someone who spouts a load of crap when they talk - ie, "gob" for mouth and "shite" for - well, I think you're ahead of me there. ;¬) Maybe if Frank thinks Lip's a gobshite then he wouldn't call him "Phillip" because that would be giving him respect that Frank doesn't think he deserves.

Hey, you don't sound like a twat for asking at all - I just hope what I've said makes some kind of sense!
Antonioantonioooo on April 4th, 2009 11:25 pm (UTC)
THANKS! It's all makin' sense now!
Rubydreamerrubydreamer on April 4th, 2009 11:19 pm (UTC)
Yep definitely Gobshite. And I'm wondering if it's a play on words. They call him Lip not Phillip, because he gives them lip. That is he pays them out. Does that make sense.

I love the show. I'm an Aussie and sometimes find the words hard to understand as well, but we tend to use more British slang anyway, so it's not quite so hard for us.
Antonioantonioooo on April 4th, 2009 11:28 pm (UTC)
Makes total sense!

But now you've introduced me to a NEW expression :"...pays them out." Ha Ha! Love it!

Cheers, mate! (I love sayin' that.) ;-)
Rubydreamerrubydreamer on April 5th, 2009 12:04 am (UTC)
Really! It's funny how words and sayings we use all the time, are so different to what you use. That's heaps good!

(Now that is a South Aussie saying).

Hooroo! (goodbye, see ya, etc)
madmancunianmadmancunian on April 4th, 2009 11:28 pm (UTC)
It's gobshite. Gob=mouth and shite=shit, so it means a mouthy person who talks a load of shit. I'm a Manc and we drop our "t"s, that's why party and gobshite don't have them (it's the same dialectical rule happening in both words). We use glottal stops instead which are super easy to follow if you're local but I can see why they might be confusing to others.

Shameless is a great show btw!
madmancunianmadmancunian on April 4th, 2009 11:29 pm (UTC)
P.S. feel free to ask me any Shameless slang. I'm from the same town as the writer (Altrincham) so I'm pretty likely to know what it means.
Antonioantonioooo on April 4th, 2009 11:35 pm (UTC)
Does the slang and dialect change drastically from region to region?

I would suppose so. I'm thinking it's alot like someone coming from the deep rural regions of North Carolina (here in the US) having a southern drawl and having to speak to a swift talking harsh speaking New Yorker. Both are speaking english...just different accents.
madmancunianmadmancunian on April 4th, 2009 11:39 pm (UTC)
Yeah, the dialects in the North can be really different despite the fact that the towns can be about 20-30 mins drive apart. Like Liverpool 'Scouse' accents and Newcastle 'Geordie' accents would sound very distinct and different to a Manchester accent. And obviously some people have harsher accents whereas others could be posher or softer. Similarly some accents might start to be more like a Sheffield or Yorkshire one. Places like Bolton and Stockport are very close to Manchester geographically but they tend to have far stronger accents (to my ears anyway).
madmancunianmadmancunian on April 4th, 2009 11:42 pm (UTC)
Oh and obviously each town might have different slang. Northern towns (especially those with canals) tend to have lots of Irish slang due to Industrial Revolution era immigration from Ireland. That's why we use words like 'shite' which are originally Irish.
Antonioantonioooo on April 4th, 2009 11:31 pm (UTC)
Manc???

glottal stops???

Teach me, teach me! Pleeeaaaase! I have no idea what they mean! (I feel like I'm in UK University today! I love it!)

madmancunianmadmancunian on April 4th, 2009 11:35 pm (UTC)
Oh Manc just means from the Manchester area. Like a Cockney is from London or a Liverpudlian is from Liverpool. And a glottal stop is an unvoiced part of a word, usually a 't'. Like we might say "button" as "buh-un" so the glottal stop has replaced the 't'. Sorry to be the course of yet more confusion!
Antonioantonioooo on April 4th, 2009 11:37 pm (UTC)
CONFUSION?! Are you kiddin' me?! I love the dialect! I love learnin' this stuff!! THANKS!
owenharperfan10 on April 8th, 2009 08:03 am (UTC)
its gob-shite
means: loudmouth, always shoutin his mouth off 2 get in a fite
happya5larryhappya5larry on April 13th, 2009 01:00 pm (UTC)
English is hardest language learn possibly because theres so many different ways of saying the same thing thats why when someone learns english it sounds odd because they say everthing fully and properly whereas most english abbreviate everything or invent there own words